
Episodes
The Portuguese Inquisition in Brazil: A Different Fire
While the Inquisition in Goa has dominated the story of Portuguese religious persecution overseas, its counterpart in Brazil took a strikingly different shape. In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore how the Holy Office operated in colonial Brazil — or rather, how it often didn't. Because the Inquisition never established a tribunal in Brazil, it relied on periodic visitations and the distant reach of Lisbon. This meant that many 'criminals' were never tried, while local networks of…
The Azores: Portugal's Mid-Atlantic Stepping Stones
Before the caravels reached India, Portugal had to master the Atlantic. This episode focuses on the Azores—nine volcanic islands discovered in the 1420s and colonized over the following century. We trace the arrival of the first settlers, the role of Flemish and Moorish prisoners, the development of a wheat economy, and the strategic importance of the islands as a waypoint for ships returning from the Carreira da Índia. We also explore the legend of Antília and the lost island of Seven Cities…
The Tordesillas Line: How Spain and Portugal Split the World
In 1494, six years after Bartolomeu Dias rounded the Cape of Good Hope and two years after Columbus first made landfall in the Caribbean, the kings of Spain and Portugal sat down in a small Castilian town and drew a line down the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Everything east of that meridian belonged to Portugal; everything west, to Spain. But how do you divide an unexplored globe with a treaty? The Treaty of Tordesillas was a bold, almost absurd experiment in geopolitics — and it shaped the…
The Portuguese Inquisition: Beyond Goa's Fire
Lucas and Luna dive into the lesser-known chapters of the Portuguese Inquisition, focusing on its operations in Portugal and the Atlantic empire. They explore how the Lisbon tribunal targeted New Christians, the role of the Jesuits, and the controversial debates that shaped the institution. The episode also touches on the Inquisition's expansion to Brazil and the Azores, and its eventual abolition in 1821. Along the way, they discuss the auto-da-fé as a public spectacle, the use of anonymous…
The Portuguese Inquisition in Goa: Fear and Fire
In this episode, Lucas and Luna delve into the darker corners of Portugal's empire in Asia, focusing on the Goa Inquisition. They explore how the Inquisition, established in 1560, targeted not just New Christians but also Hindus and Buddhists, using tactics like the auto-da-fé to enforce religious uniformity. The conversation covers the role of figures like Alessandro Valignano, who clashed with the Inquisition over missionary methods, and the lasting impact on Goa's multicultural society. They…
The Portuguese Inquisition in Goa: Fear and Fire
In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore the lesser-known Portuguese Inquisition in Goa, which operated from 1560 to 1812, targeting New Christians and native converts. They discuss the tribunal's establishment under King João III, the role of the Jesuits, the notorious auto-da-fé ceremonies, and the impact on Goan society. The conversation highlights specific cases, such as the trial of a Brahmin convert and the persecution of Hindu customs, revealing the Inquisition's broader cultural and…
The Cartaz System: How Portugal Taxed the Indian Ocean
In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore the cartaz system, the ingenious maritime pass that gave Portugal control over the Indian Ocean for nearly a century. Learn how Afonso de Albuquerque deployed this naval licensing scheme, how it taxed both enemy and ally alike, and why it ultimately failed as Portuguese power waned. Featuring the corsair Khoja Zamber, the Portuguese fort at Diu, and the rise of rival powers like the Ottomans and the Dutch, this episode reveals the true engine of…
The Sugar Trade: Madeira and the Birth of the Atlantic Economy
In this episode of The History of Portugal, Lucas and Luna turn away from the Indian Ocean and look west to the Atlantic islands that powered Portugal's early empire. Long before the carracks rounded the Cape of Good Hope, the tiny island of Madeira became a laboratory for a new kind of colonial economy built on sugar, slavery, and the plantation system. Lucas traces how Prince Henry the Navigator's captains introduced sugarcane in the 1420s, how Genoese capital and Sicilian techniques turned a…
The Portuguese Maritime Republic of Kilwa
In this episode of The History of Portugal, Lucas and Luna explore Portugal's brief but transformative occupation of Kilwa, a wealthy Swahili city-state on the East African coast. Discover how Vasco da Gama's 1498 arrival sparked a decade of intrigue, culminating in the 1505 sacking and fortification of Kilwa by Dom Francisco de Almeida. Learn about the ruler Muhammad al-Anfani, the construction of Fort Santiago, the Portuguese attempts to control the gold and ivory trade, and the eventual…
The Battle of Alcácer Quibir: Portugal's Lost King
In 1578, a young Portuguese king led a crusade into Morocco and vanished. The Battle of Alcácer Quibir—known in Arabic as Wadi al-Makhazin—shattered the army of Dom Sebastião, killed three monarchs in a single day, and triggered a succession crisis that ended with Portugal's crown passing to the Spanish Habsburgs. This episode follows the doomed campaign from the beaches of Arzila to the river crossing at Makhazin, the fatal decision to advance at dawn, and the legend of the 'Desired One' who…
The Battle of Diu: How Portugal Crushed the Mamluk Fleet
In 1509, off the coast of Gujarat, a small Portuguese fleet under Francisco de Almeida annihilated a combined Mamluk-Gujarati force in a battle that would define the Indian Ocean for centuries. This episode unpacks the Battle of Diu — the ships, the cannon, the alliances, and the aftermath. We meet Lourenço de Almeida, whose death in an earlier skirmish set the stage for his father's vengeance, and Malik Ayaz, the Gujarati governor who saw Portugal as a useful rival to the Mamluks. We discuss…
The Portuguese Man-of-War: Naval Horror of the Atlantic
Lucas and Luna dive into the Portuguese man-of-war, the venomous siphonophore that got its name from the caravel ships of Portugal's Age of Discovery. They explore how the creature's sail-like float reminded sailors of the iconic lateen-rigged vessels, the biology of its colony structure, its painful sting, and its role in naval history as a hazard to sailors and a metaphor for Portuguese maritime power. The episode touches on the creature's taxonomy, its presence in the Atlantic and Indian…
The Portuguese in Ethiopia: Missionaries, Emperors, and the Battle of Atsbi
In 1543, a small Portuguese force helped the Ethiopian emperor defeat Ahmad Gragn, the leader of the Adal Sultanate. But the alliance that saved Ethiopia soon soured. This episode traces the tangled relationship between Portugal and Ethiopia, from the early mission of Pêro da Covilhã, who arrived in 1490 and stayed for decades, to the Jesuit attempts to convert the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. At the center stands the Battle of Wayna Daga, where Gragn was killed and the Muslim advance was…
Prince Henry the Navigator: Myth and Reality of Portugal's Patron of Discovery
In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore the real story behind Prince Henry the Navigator, the man often credited as the mastermind of Portugal's early maritime expansion. They separate the man from the legend, examining his role as a patron, not a sailor, and the political, religious, and economic motivations that drove the Portuguese down the African coast. Along the way, they touch on the caravel, the nautical school at Sagres, the capture of Ceuta in 1415, the discovery of Madeira and the…
Zanzibar and the Ivory Trade: Portugal's African Trail
In this episode, we follow the ivory trade from Sofala to Lisbon, tracing how Portuguese merchants and the Mwana Mwema sultans of Zanzibar built a commerce that reshaped East Africa. We look at the Swahili coast's long history before Vasco da Gama, the strategic role of Kilwa and Mombasa, and how the Estado da Índia tried to control the ivory routes through cartazes and feitorias. We also grapple with the environmental and human costs: the decimation of elephant herds and the shadow of…
The Carreira da Índia: Portugal's Deadly Ocean Highway
In this episode, Lucas and Luna trace the Carreira da Índia, the perilous sea route that linked Lisbon to Goa and made Portugal a global power—at a staggering human cost. They follow the voyages of Vasco da Gama and Pedro Álvares Cabral, the shipwrecks that littered the African coast, and the scurvy that killed thousands. They explore the rise of the nau, the great carracks that braved Cape storms, and the cartaz system that tried to control the Indian Ocean. They meet figures like Dom…
The Great Lisbon Earthquake of 1755
On the morning of November 1st, 1755, Lisbon was struck by one of the most powerful earthquakes in European history, followed by a tsunami and a firestorm that reduced the city to rubble. In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore the catastrophe's devastating impact on Portugal and its empire, and how it triggered a philosophical earthquake across Europe. They discuss the science of the quake, the social and political aftermath, and the Enlightenment thinkers—like Voltaire and Kant—who wrestled…
The Portuguese Inquisition in India: Fear and Fire in Goa
In this episode of The History of Portugal, Lucas and Luna step into the shadow of the Goa Inquisition — a tribunal that for over two centuries policed faith, identity, and memory on the western coast of India. They explore how Goa became the Inquisition's Asian headquarters, the first auto-da-fé in 1563, and the everyday surveillance that turned neighbor against neighbor. Lucas traces the political currents that weaponized religion, from the union with Spain to the pressures of the…
Pêro da Covilhã: The Spy Who Found Prester John
In this episode, we trace the remarkable journey of Pêro da Covilhã, a Portuguese spy and explorer sent by King João II to discover the source of the spice trade and locate the mythical Christian kingdom of Prester John. Covilhã traveled through Egypt, visited Aden, India, and eventually reached Ethiopia, where he was forced to stay for the rest of his life. His detailed reports and letters, written from the court of the Negus, provided crucial intelligence that later informed Vasco da Gama's…
Afonso de Albuquerque The Architect of Portugal's Asian Empire
In this episode, Lucas and Luna dive into the life and conquests of Afonso de Albuquerque, the second Governor of Portuguese India whose vision and ruthlessness built the Estado da Índia. From his early campaigns in Morocco to the capture of Goa in 1510 and the seizure of Malacca in 1511, Albuquerque established a network of fortresses and ports that controlled the spice trade for a century. They explore his controversial tactics, his rivalry with Francisco de Almeida, his obsession with…
Kongo Kingdom and Portugal: An African Christian King
In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore the early alliance between Portugal and the Kingdom of Kongo in the late 15th century. They focus on King Afonso I (Mvemba a Nzinga), who embraced Christianity and corresponded directly with King Manuel I of Portugal, requesting missionaries, craftsmen, and military aid. Lucas explains how the slave trade from Kongo strained the relationship, as Portuguese traders increasingly disregarded Afonso's orders. The episode highlights the 1526 letters from…
Portugal's Pearl of the Indian Ocean: Ceylon Lost to the Dutch
This episode dives into Portugal's two-century struggle for control of Ceylon (modern-day Sri Lanka), the 'Pearl of the Indian Ocean.' Lucas and Luna explore how a small Portuguese force first arrived in 1505, leveraging rivalries between the kingdoms of Kotte, Sitawaka, and Kandy. They delve into the rise of Rajasinha II, the Kandyan king who masterfully played the Portuguese against the Dutch VOC. The conversation covers key battles, the fortress of Colombo, and the 1656 Dutch siege that…
The Goa Inquisition: Portugal's Religious Tribunal in Asia
In 1560, the Portuguese Inquisition arrived in Goa, the capital of the Estado da Índia, establishing a religious tribunal that would operate for over two centuries. This episode explores the origins, targets, and legacy of the Goa Inquisition, examining how it targeted New Christians, Hindus, and even European dissenters. We look at figures like Alessandro Valignano, who critiqued its harshness, and the destruction of Hindu temples. Learn about the autos-da-fé, the resistance from local…
The Shimabara Rebellion: How Portugal Lost Japan
In 1637, a massive uprising of Christian peasants and ronin in the Shimabara domain of Japan shook the Tokugawa shogunate to its core. Led by the teenage messiah Amakusa Shiro, the rebels fortified Hara Castle and held out against a besieging army of over 100,000 men. Portugal, which had fostered a lucrative Nanban trade in Japan for a century, was caught in the fallout: the shogunate accused Portuguese missionaries of instigating the rebellion, and the Dutch VOC provided cannons and ships to…
The Forty Conjured: Portugal's 1640 Coup Against Spain
In 1640, Portugal was under the thumb of the Spanish Habsburgs for sixty years, its empire stagnating under foreign rule. Then a daring conspiracy of forty nobles—the Forty Conjured—stormed the Lisbon palace, assassinated the Spanish secretary Miguel de Vasconcelos, and placed the Duke of Braganza on the throne as King John IV. This episode unpacks the plot, the key figures like João IV and the Count of Évora, the subsequent Restoration War that pitted Portugal's outnumbered forces against…
Portugal's Spice Islands Empire in the Moluccas
In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore Portugal's quest for the spice islands of the Moluccas after the conquest of Malacca. They follow the story of Francisco Serrão, a Portuguese adventurer who ended up on Ternate and became a trusted advisor to Sultan Bayanullah. They discuss how Antonio de Brito led a formal expedition in 1522 to claim the islands, building a fortress on Ternate and later on Tidore. The conversation covers the bitter rivalry with the Spanish, culminating in the Treaty of…
Macau Portugal Lasting Empire in China
After conquering Malacca in 1511, the Portuguese set their sights on China, but early attempts ended in disaster — a naval defeat at Tunmen in 1521 and a failed embassy led by Tomé Pires that resulted in imprisonment and death. It took decades of diplomacy, smuggling, and a pivotal agreement by Leonel de Sousa in 1554 to reopen trade. The tipping point came in 1557 when Ming authorities granted the Portuguese a permanent lease on the tiny peninsula of Macau — a dusty fishing village that would…
The Portuguese Conquest of Malacca 1511
In 1511, Afonso de Albuquerque led a small Portuguese fleet against the wealthy Malacca Sultanate, a strategic chokehold on the spice trade. This episode dives into the brutal conquest, the political maneuvering with Chinese and Gujarati merchants, and how capturing Malacca gave Portugal control of the Strait of Malacca, opening direct trade with the Moluccas and China. We explore the legacy of Portuguese rule in Malacca, the eventual Dutch takeover in 1641, and what remains today. A story of…
The Portuguese Discovery of Japan: First Contact and the Nanban Trade
In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore the dramatic first encounter between Portugal and Japan in 1543, when three Portuguese merchants washed ashore on Tanegashima island, introducing firearms to a warring nation. They trace the Nanban trade—literally 'Southern Barbarian' commerce—that followed, bringing silver, silk, and Jesuits like Francis Xavier to Japanese shores. Learn how the arquebus transformed samurai warfare, how daimyo like Ōtomo Sōrin embraced Christianity, and how the…
Queen Nzinga: The Warrior Who Outwitted Portugal's Empire
Long before Angola became a Portuguese colony, Queen Nzinga of Ndongo and Matamba waged a decades-long war against European invaders. This episode covers her famous 1622 meeting at Luanda, where she used a human chair to assert her status, her tactical alliance with the Dutch against Portugal, and her mastery of guerrilla warfare with Imbangala mercenaries. We explore how she negotiated treaties while maintaining her independence, her political baptism as Ana de Sousa, and her enduring legacy…
The Portuguese Pepper Trade: How a Spice Built an Empire
Lucas and Luna explore Portugal's domination of the pepper trade in the 16th century. From the Malabar Coast to the tables of Europe, pepper was the engine of the Estado da Índia. Lucas explains how Afonso de Albuquerque seized Malacca and Hormuz to control the spice routes, how the Portuguese used the cartaz system to enforce a monopoly, and why pepper was worth more than gold. They also discuss the human cost—the sailors who died on the Carreira da Índia and the violence that backed every…
The Portuguese and the Tulip: A Flower That Shaped an Empire
In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore an unexpected chapter of Portuguese history: the role of the tulip in the empire's economic and cultural life. While tulips are often associated with the Dutch Golden Age, Portugal was one of the first European powers to cultivate and trade these flowers, thanks to its early diplomatic and commercial ties with the Ottoman Empire. The episode traces how Portuguese merchants and botanists in Constantinople brought tulip bulbs to Lisbon in the mid-16th…
The Portuguese and the Battle of Alcácer Quibir: The Disaster That Ended an Era
In 1578, a young king of Portugal named Sebastião led a massive crusading army into North Africa, seeking glory and a new Christian empire. The result was the Battle of Alcácer Quibir — a catastrophic defeat that killed Sebastião, wiped out much of the Portuguese nobility, and left the throne vacant. This episode explores the lead-up to the battle, the motivations of the key players — Sebastião, the Moroccan sultan Abd al-Malik, and the deposed sultan Abu Abdallah — and the battle's aftermath…
The Portuguese and Brazilwood: A Tree That Built an Empire
Long before sugar and gold, Brazil itself was named for a tree. In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore how the Portuguese discovery of brazilwood — pau-brasil — ignited the first major European exploitation of the South American coast. They follow the extraction network from the Tupinambá and other indigenous allies who harvested the logs, to the feitorias established from Cabo Frio to Bahia, and the race with French interlopers who wanted a piece of the monopoly. The discussion touches on the…
The Portuguese and the Battle of Diu: How a Tiny Fleet Changed Asia
In 1509, a small Portuguese fleet under Dom Francisco de Almeida faced down a massive combined armada of the Mamluk Sultanate, the Sultanate of Gujarat, and the Zamorin of Calicut at the Battle of Diu. This episode dives into the battle itself — the ships, the tactics, the commanders, and the brutal aftermath. We explore how a Christian kingdom from the edge of Europe managed to shatter Muslim naval power in the Indian Ocean with a handful of ships, and why the battle is often called the…
The Portuguese Prince Who Became Henry the Navigator: Myth vs Reality
Infante Dom Henrique of Portugal, known to history as Prince Henry the Navigator, never sailed on a single voyage of exploration. Yet his name is synonymous with the Age of Discovery. In this episode, Lucas and Luna separate the man from the myth. They examine Henry's role as patron of exploration from his base at Sagres, his involvement in the conquest of Ceuta, and the questionable legend of a 'navigation school' that never existed. They also explore the economic motives behind his ventures…
The Portuguese Plantation System on São Tomé and Its Dark Legacy
In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore how the tiny island of São Tomé became the blueprint for the Atlantic plantation economy. They trace the arrival of Portuguese settlers in the late 15th century, the introduction of sugarcane from Madeira, and the brutal importation of enslaved Africans from the Kongo kingdom and Benin. The episode covers the engenho (sugar mill) system, the use of slave labor on a scale never seen before in Europe, and how São Tomé's model directly influenced the…
Portugal's Forgotten African Fortresses: Arguim to Mombasa
This episode explores the network of Portuguese feitorias and fortresses along the African coast, from the first slave-trading outpost at Arguim in 1445 to the massive fortress of Mombasa that guarded the Indian Ocean trade. Lucas and Luna discuss how these fortified trading posts functioned as nodes of commerce, military power, and cultural exchange. They cover the role of the caravel in reaching these shores, the cartaz system that controlled shipping, the conflicts with local rulers and the…
The Portuguese Sugar Boom: Madeira and the Birth of the Plantation
In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore how Portugal turned a small Atlantic island into the template for the plantation economy that would reshape the Americas. Starting with the introduction of sugarcane to Madeira in the 1420s, they trace the rise of large-scale sugar production, the importation of enslaved labor from Africa and the Canary Islands, the creation of the first industrial sugar mills (engenhos), and the explosive growth that made Madeira the world's top sugar producer by the…
The Portuguese Wreck of the Bom Jesus: Lost Treasure of 1533
In 1533, the Portuguese merchant ship Bom Jesus sank off the coast of modern-day Namibia, carrying a fortune in gold, silver, and copper. In 2008, miners stumbled upon its wreck while diamond prospecting in the Sperrgebiet exclusion zone. This episode tells the story of the Carreira da Índia, the annual voyage from Lisbon to India, and the tragic fate of one of its ships. We explore what the cargo reveals about early global trade, the ship's final voyage, and the remarkable preservation of…
The Portuguese Horse and the Ethiopian Alliance That Never Was
In 1541, a small Portuguese expedition of 400 musketeers and horsemen landed in Ethiopia to aid Emperor Gelawdewos against the Muslim conqueror Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi. This episode explores the complex alliance between two ancient Christian kingdoms, the Battle of Wayna Daga, and the role of Portuguese matchlock men in turning the tide. We discuss the myth of Prester John, the diplomatic mission of Rodrigo de Lima and Pêro da Covilhã, and how the alliance ultimately failed to deliver…
The Portuguese War Elephants That Terrified India
When the Portuguese arrived in India, they faced a weapon they had never encountered: the war elephant. In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore how the Estado da Índia adapted to Asian warfare, capturing and deploying elephants in battle. They focus on the 1538 siege of Diu, where Portuguese defenders used their own war elephants to repel a massive Ottoman-Gujarati army. The conversation covers elephant training, Portuguese reforms under Nuno da Cunha, and the cultural shock of facing armored…
The Portuguese Horse and the Ethiopian Alliance That Never Was
Why did Portugal send horsemen to Ethiopia in the 1540s? This episode follows the strange, nearly forgotten story of Cristóvão da Gama, the son of Vasco da Gama, who led a small force of Portuguese musketeers and cavalry into the highlands of Ethiopia to help Emperor Gelawdewos fight the Adal Sultanate under Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi. We explore the military logistics of moving horses across the Indian Ocean, the cultural exchange between Portuguese soldiers and Ethiopian Christians, and the…
The Portuguese Inquisition: Faith, Fear, and the Tribunal in Goa
In 1560, the Holy Office of the Inquisition was formally established in Goa, transforming the Portuguese Estado da Índia. This episode explores how the Inquisition operated on the subcontinent—targeting New Christians, Hindus, and even Old Christians accused of heresy. We follow the arrival of the first Inquisitor, Aleixo de Azevedo, the infamous 'Auto-da-fé' ceremonies in Old Goa, and the testimony of converts like Camões' contemporary, Garcia da Orta. We discuss the impact on Goan society…
The Portuguese Caravel: How a Tiny Ship Redrew the World
In the fifteenth century, a small, nimble ship—the caravel—transformed Portugal from a tiny Atlantic kingdom into the vanguard of European exploration. In this episode, Lucas and Luna trace the caravel's origins from North African fishing boats to the iconic vessel that carried Dias around the Cape and Columbus across the Atlantic. They discuss the revolutionary lateen sail rig that allowed tacking into the wind, the ship's compact size and shallow draft, and its surprising limitations for the…
The Portuguese and the Kongo King Who Converted
This episode tells the story of the Kingdom of Kongo and its king, Afonso I (Mvemba a Nzinga), who embraced Christianity in the late 15th century after the arrival of Portuguese explorers. We explore the dynamics of this early alliance, the complex relations between Kongo and Portugal, Afonso's efforts to modernize his kingdom using European models, and the slave trade that eventually soured the relationship. We also touch on the legacy of this conversion and the subsequent decline of Kongo.…
The Portuguese Conquest of Ceuta: The Birth of an Empire
In 1415, a small Portuguese fleet crossed the Strait of Gibraltar and seized the North African city of Ceuta. This episode tells the story of that conquest — how King João I and his sons, including the legendary Prince Henry the Navigator, launched an ambitious campaign that would mark the beginning of Portugal's overseas expansion. We look at the planning, the battle, and the aftermath, including the role of the Portuguese nobility, the capture of the city from the Marinid Sultanate, and the…
The Portuguese Jewish Refugees of Amsterdam
In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore a lesser-known chapter of Portuguese history: the flight of Portuguese Jews and New Christians to Amsterdam in the late 16th and 17th centuries. After the Portuguese Inquisition tightened its grip, many conversos—Jews who had been forced to convert—fled to the Dutch Republic, where they could openly practice Judaism. In Amsterdam, these refugees built a thriving community that included merchants like the Nunes family, who helped finance the Dutch West…
The Portuguese and Timor: Sandalwood, Resistance, and a Forgotten Colony
When the Portuguese first landed on Timor in the early 16th century, they weren't looking for spices or gold—they wanted sandalwood. This episode traces how a small, rugged island became a strategic outpost of the Estado da Índia, caught between Dutch expansion, indigenous kingdoms, and the shifting tides of empire. We explore the unique sandalwood trade, the fierce resistance of the Timorese, the role of the Dominican friars who acted as mediators, and the eventual division of the island…
The Portuguese and the Samurai: Why Japan Expelled Its Western Allies
In this episode, Lucas and Luna explore the dramatic rise and fall of Portuguese influence in Japan during the Nanban trade era. They discuss the arrival of the first Europeans in 1543, the introduction of firearms that reshaped Japanese warfare, and the spread of Christianity under figures like Alessandro Valignano and the daimyo of Kyushu. The conversation covers the shifting policies of Tokugawa Ieyasu, the growing suspicion of foreign influence, and the brutal Shimabara Rebellion that…
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